Project: Blueberry Bee [Honda Civic Del Sol Si]

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Blin taigi sena beda su tais karomyslais yra kas velenelius restauruodavo visiems po kurio laiko sita beda islysdavo
netgi rekomenduojama restauruotam veleneliui det restauruotus karomyslus,geriausiai kad tai budu daryta toij pacioj kontoroj.
Taip ir cia nusiperka velenukus o ant karomyslu nebeuztenka ir palieka stockinius

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Taigi sestadieni uzdejom kolektoriu ir duslintuva. Aciu tonic'ui (kaip visad), Tadui (GZ) uz sudarytas salygas ir Sauliui (GZ) uz virinima (duslintuvas buvo skirtas Civicui, tai teko ji truputi pamodifikuot, kad tiktu trumpesniam DelSoliui).

Kolektorius uzsidejo tip-top - skyles varztams nei milimetru ne per dideles. Tiesa teko prailgint viena kronsteinuka prilaikanti kolektoriu po dugnu (juo kolikas prisitaiso prie variklio bloko).

Ismetimas irgi uzsidejo be didesniu bedu - matyt jei butu Civicas butu uzsidejes isvis be jokiu modifikavimu.

Garsas... siaubingas.
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spade wrote: Garsas... siaubingas.
Kuria prasmes siaubingas???
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turbut daug decibelu :)

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Ne tik kad decibelai, bet dar ir dazniai...

Klykia tuo nesvietisku metaliniu balsu kuriuo "uztiuninti" civicai ir visokios kalibros klykia :evil:

Dabar galvoju ka su tuo daryt.
Mintys kol kas tokios: pas Swifta buvo laisvas imetimas 60mm skrsmenio (o variklis tik 1,3, tai ismetimo skersmuo labai didelis pagal varikli). Ir nors buvo isties garsu, bet garsas buvo sodrus ir solidus (ne V8, bet vis tiek :mrgreen: ).
Ir niekaip negalejau suprasti kodel tai spiegia tie civicai visokie...
Dabar sugalvojau, kad problema gali buti tame, kad pas tuos ebejinius vamzdzius labai plona sienele, del to esant didesniam srautui jie patys ima vibruoti ir pats vamzdis ima skleisti ta nesveika nepakeliama garsa, o ne ismetamosios dujos iseinancios is jo.

Tai dabar mintis yra apvynioti karsciui atsparia medziaga ar pan, kuri turetu gesinti tuos virpesius ir sugerti garsa. Pamatysim, kas gausis :)
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O bakelis galinis koks?

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Kazkoks ebejinis, su silenceriu. Siaip du bakeliai is viso... bet pas swifta tas pats buvo - du bakeliai. Net dydziai neka skiriasi.
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As ir uzsimeciau 421 kolika apsivyniojau bintu bet ne del garso :) visas vamzdynas 60mm su vienu dideliu rezonatorium, garsas didelis ir gerokai astresnis nei su stock vamzdynu ir koliku, gavosi labai neblogai man patiko... Spade nepamirsk kad sohc ir dohc variklio garsai visiskai skirtingi ;)

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Jei garsas tik gale, tai apvyniojimas nlb ka pades IMO. Jei rekia visu ilgiu, tada gal... As bandyciau didint galinio bekelio turi.

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JTS wrote:nepamirsk kad sohc ir dohc variklio garsai visiskai skirtingi ;)
o reiškinio fizika, nes aš kažkaip nesugalvoju?

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drAmber wrote:
JTS wrote:nepamirsk kad sohc ir dohc variklio garsai visiskai skirtingi ;)
o reiškinio fizika, nes aš kažkaip nesugalvoju?
Nu tai sprogima girdi MONO arba STEREO, priklausomai nuo vozhtuvu skaichiaus :mrgreen:

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bet DOHC taigi nebutinai reiskia jog ir valve bus daugiau, ar klystu? :oops:

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Suo wrote:bet DOHC taigi nebutinai reiskia jog ir valve bus daugiau, ar klystu? :oops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dohc#Dual_ ... d_camshaft
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Paskutiniai atnaujinimai:
Padariau pagaliau CAI. Gal 4 vakarus uzeme, kol nulipdziau viska taip kaip norejau :lol:
Pakeiciau apatines pagalves nes buvo visai suplyshusios.
Pakeiciau tepalus.
Pakeiciaus termostata.
Ir net eksperimento delei dali duslintuvo garso izoliacija apvyniojau (gal Eli imes nuotrauka kokia :mrgreen: ). Pasidare jauciamai tyliau, bet vis tiek ziauriai per garsu. Atrodo be papildomo bakelio nieko nebus...
Aciu Eli uz pagalba su paskutiniais 4-iais punktais.

Matyt jau galima vaziuot reguliuot.
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nu laukiam rezultatu, bais idomu kas ti gausis :)

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Kur cipavima atliksi?
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Pas Cata.
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Jei kas seka progresa: vakar 6+val su Catu murkdemes (na, jis dirbo, as skalpeilius padavinejau ir mintis meciau :lol: )... Max ka matem, tai 148 ar 149Ag - tai yra nekazka.
Yra kazkoks bugas: prie ~7000 (kur matosi, kad kreive dar liptu i virsu) yra staigus galios kritimas. Per koki 100 rpm galingumas krenta vos ne vertikaliai zemyn kokiais 25+Ag :evil: , o paskui vel lipa i virsu (bet kai tokia duobe, tai niekur jau ir neislipa rimciau). Tai visa vakara jokio reguliavimo is esmes nevyko - tik debuginimas... atrodo patikrinom viska kas tik ateina i galva...

Mintys laukiamos.
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Visokie teoriniai isvedziojimai:

Kadangi atsiranda staiga tai greiciausiai problema ne mechanineje dalyje, taip?
Jei butu pritruke kuro jus irgi butumet pastebeje, taip?

Tai lieka galvoti apie degima. Ir apie kazka ganetikai konkretaus, nes visokie blogi laidai, pavargusi indukcine rite ar prastos zvakes neduotu tokio vienodo rezultato.

Gal vistik dirzas ne taip uzdetas ir pasiekus didelius RPM degimas paankstinamas tiek, kad "nebetelpa" i skriejiko ploti?

Gal grafikus turi?

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Pas aubi taip nutinka, kai kompas "ishgirsta" detonacija ir padaro korekcija.

Pas honda isheina pamatyt, kiek laipsniu degimas "atsuktas" realtime? Gal su kokiu stroboskopu ant stendo uzhvarius, jei ten ne coil on plug.

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kwlw wrote:Pas honda isheina pamatyt, kiek laipsniu degimas "atsuktas" realtime? Gal su kokiu stroboskopu ant stendo uzhvarius, jei ten ne coil on plug.
Nors ant del sol tai ir neaktualu, bet tarp coil ir plug dazniausiai galima ikisti gabaleli aukstos itampos laido ;)

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Knock sensoriaus nera. Degimas toje vietoj pagal lenteles pastovus. O ziureti masina sukant su apkrova degima ties 7000... hmmm... :roll: mintis idomi, nors ir nelabai ta isivaizduoju
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Apviniokite degimo laida keleta kartu su paprastu laideliu ir betkoki jo gala i oscilografa.. matosi visa itampa labai graziai. nebent laidas ekranuotas

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spade wrote:Knock sensoriaus nera. Degimas toje vietoj pagal lenteles pastovus. O ziureti masina sukant su apkrova degima ties 7000... hmmm... :roll: mintis idomi, nors ir nelabai ta isivaizduoju
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O pagal ka ishvis degimas tada koreaguojamas? Ar tipo kompas mirk gyvenk pastato tiek kiek mape ir vsio?

Degimas = degimo kampas, jei su apkrova, tai neturetu gal labai plaukiot? Nors del zhiurejimo tai xzn. Paprastai zhmones viska i datalogeri suverchia, po to prie alaus/laptopo diskutuoja "what went wrong" :).

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Ivirintas dar vienas rezonatorius. Dabar jei be silencerio tai garsas, sunkiai, bet pakenciamas, o idejus silenceri jau galima vazinet ir kasdien. Burgzgia zinoma, bet ausu kamstuku nereikia. Anksciau silencerio idejimas jokio rimtesnio pagerejimo neduodavo.
Ta pacia proga pakeistos ir vairo traukes su antgaliais ir gumom.
Aciu Vytui is EVOperformance.

Prie 7000 stroboskopo lempa mirkses 58.3Hz (jei moku skaiciuot). Zmogaus akiai tokia sviesa yra pastovi... O del paloginimo, tai galvojam su tonicu.
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